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This is quite an interesting article, I thought. Slightly disturbed about agreeing with David Gold, mind.
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« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2006, 01:07:39 PM » |
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This is quite an interesting article, I thought. Slightly disturbed about agreeing with David Gold, mind. I found the "yes" argument more convincing to be honest - when someone starts off with "ah, but what about the tradition" you know the rest of the reasoning will be weak. I think done in the right way it would be OK. There must be at least one league between the A and B teams, that way the B team won't have a direct influence on who will be promoted from the Championship. There must be controls in movements of players between the A and B teams, as mentioned in the Spanish example. I would hope that there is some safeguard in the numbers of players in the B team that haven't come through the academy of the club. Say a maximum of 4 or something, to stop the B team being a filled up with imported players, which would stifle the development of young players in this country. The teams must start off at a sufficiently low level and work their way up through the divisions - like AFC Wimbledon have had to. They should earn their place in the league, rather than displacing another team that has already won the right to be there. I suspect the last point would prove the most dissatisfactory for the likes of Mourinho and may put them off. |
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« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2006, 01:16:02 PM » |
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I'd have a lot more sympathy for the idea if it genuinely meant developing more English players. Top premiership clubs have fcuk all English players in them, generally speaking, compared to Championship teams. I think the answer to Jose's problems is to stop buying sh!t loads more foreign players than he needs.
Our football is disappearing up the @rse of the premiership as it is. The last thing we need is those cnuts fcuking up the football league as well.
In my view.
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« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2006, 01:17:20 PM » |
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Our football is disappearing up the @rse of the premiership as it is. The last thing we need is those cnuts fcuking up the football league as well.
In my view. The clinching argument, expressed with admirable economy of words. Tricky, I salute you. |
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« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2006, 01:23:43 PM » |
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I think its a ridiculous idea. It may work for the two-bit lower leagues in other countries but would signal the death of genuinely competitive football in lower leagues in this country. Its an appalling prospect and I can't begin to understand why any non-prem supporters think this would be a good thing.
It assumes that the top x teams in the premiership are more important than the other 80 odd professional clubs, and that their league system should be adapted to suit the development of their players to the detriment of those clubs. I for one couldn't give a toss about the premiership personally.
I also don't see how teams will get 'competitive' experience if they can't be promoted or relegated. Fans certainly wouldn't be turned on by the prospect of their team playing a half-interested prem reserve side (or watching their well-performing, consistent, on-a-winning-run team getting dismantled brutally by a Chelsea B team who are trying to impress Moriniho in the run-in to ensure they don't get put into the stiffs for the following season). The loan system works pretty well for getting 'star' players into lower-leagues in genuinely competitive situations so why fcuk with it? If they really want to add competitive edge to reserve/B-team games then do something like giving an extra UEFA-cup qualifying place to the winner of the premier reserve league and preventing champions-league qualification to any team who are relegated from the premier reserve league. Sounds daft yes, but probably more sane than Chelseas proposal.
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« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2006, 01:28:50 PM » |
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As a fan I don't want to watch my team in a league with a group of ineligible (in the sense that they can't win) teams. If fans in Spain don't care that some of their league fixtures are at best meaningless and at worst distorting then fine but I can't agree with them.
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« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2006, 01:31:55 PM » |
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As a fan I don't want to watch my team in a league with a group of ineligible (in the sense that they can't win) teams. If fans in Spain don't care that some of their league fixtures are at best meaningless and at worst distorting then fine but I can't agree with them.
You could end up with a farcical situation where the Championship (and possibly divisions below it) is won year after year by someone's B-team, and never by a real team. There are a lot of teams in this country who will not reach the Premiership and to whom the top flight is more or less an irrelevence. If you take away those teams' ability to actually win competitions, what would be the point? All we'd have left would be the Johnson's Paint Trophy. |
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« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2006, 02:13:49 PM » |
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I haven't time to read it all at the moment. But...
The football league does not have a problem. The Championship, League One and League Two are genuinely exciting and competitive. Any side can beat any side on the day and promotion and relegation owe almost as much to the skills of the managers as to the funds at their disposal.
So why change anything ?
Premiership teams have the problem. They were the ones who divorced themselves from the league pyramid. I wish them every success in trying to solve it. Perhaps they could have a European Premier Plus league above the old Premiership and field teams in both divisions.
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« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2006, 02:16:47 PM » |
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Premiership teams have the problem. They were the ones who divorced themselves from the league pyramid. I wish them every success in trying to solve it. Perhaps they could have a European Premier Plus league above the old Premiership and field teams in both divisions.
You're probably being sarky, but that would actually make the Premiership more exciting. Teams who haven't qualified for the European Super League (eg Spurs), fielding their first teams against the Reserves of Chelsea and Man Utd. Might actually be competitive. |
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« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2006, 02:19:53 PM » |
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I haven't time to read it all at the moment. But...
The football league does not have a problem. The Championship, League One and League Two are genuinely exciting and competitive. Any side can beat any side on the day and promotion and relegation owe almost as much to the skills of the managers as to the funds at their disposal.
So why change anything ?
Premiership teams have the problem. They were the ones who divorced themselves from the league pyramid. I wish them every success in trying to solve it. Perhaps they could have a European Premier Plus league above the old Premiership and field teams in both divisions.
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« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2006, 02:48:12 PM » |
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I think its a ridiculous idea. It may work for the two-bit lower leagues in other countries but would signal the death of genuinely competitive football in lower leagues in this country. Its an appalling prospect and I can't begin to understand why any non-prem supporters think this would be a good thing.
It assumes that the top x teams in the premiership are more important than the other 80 odd professional clubs, and that their league system should be adapted to suit the development of their players to the detriment of those clubs. I for one couldn't give a toss about the premiership personally.
I also don't see how teams will get 'competitive' experience if they can't be promoted or relegated. Fans certainly wouldn't be turned on by the prospect of their team playing a half-interested prem reserve side (or watching their well-performing, consistent, on-a-winning-run team getting dismantled brutally by a Chelsea B team who are trying to impress Moriniho in the run-in to ensure they don't get put into the stiffs for the following season). The loan system works pretty well for getting 'star' players into lower-leagues in genuinely competitive situations so why fcuk with it? If they really want to add competitive edge to reserve/B-team games then do something like giving an extra UEFA-cup qualifying place to the winner of the premier reserve league and preventing champions-league qualification to any team who are relegated from the premier reserve league. Sounds daft yes, but probably more sane than Chelseas proposal.
What he said. At the end of the day isn't this what the reserve structure and loan system is for? |
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« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2006, 02:50:17 PM » |
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Exactly, nobody forced him to buy 3 teams worth of players. If Mourinho wants a large squad he has to learn how to rotate it rather than playing Frank bleedin Lampard every week!
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« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2006, 02:51:53 PM » |
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You're probably being sarky, but that would actually make the Premiership more exciting. Teams who haven't qualified for the European Super League (eg Spurs), fielding their first teams against the Reserves of Chelsea and Man Utd. Might actually be competitive.
Probably ? Probably ? How very dare you. |
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« Reply #13 on: December 13, 2006, 04:22:04 PM » |
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Exactly, nobody forced him to buy 3 teams worth of players. If Mourinho wants a large squad he has to learn how to rotate it rather than playing Frank bleedin Lampard every week!
Mourinho's squad is not actually all that big. It is expensive though. Nice Alanis moment in the thread title, what with 'Grauniad' being spelt incorrectly |
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« Reply #14 on: December 13, 2006, 05:13:42 PM » |
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Nice Alanis moment in the thread title, what with 'Grauniad' being spelt incorrectly
Thanks. Commpletely intentional as well, obviously. Ahem... |
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